http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=739104736941335888

 

...see also The Virus Of Faith ...

...im not trying to start a fught here just changes of opinions:)

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

Mda, clipul e numai un extras. Probabil facut dupa carte.

L-as intreba pe dl. Dawkins si pe toti cei cu aceleasi convingeri ca el de ce nu pot contrazice nimic din ce-a zis Iisus referitor la iubire. Si de ce nu poate nimeni sa adauge ceva nou la ce-a zis Iisus tot la capitolul iubire?

Toti ii dau inainte cu iubirea-legea suprema, cu dragostea, ce sublim, ce alea-alea. Si cand vine timpul sa puna in practica ce sustin prin vorbe sau prin scris, atunci dintr-o data le e greu, atat de greu, ca se eschiveaza de la intrebarea evidenta: DE CE N-O PUI IN PRACTICA?

E usor cu teoriile, mai greu e cu practica.


PS: Oare ce-o zice dl. Dawkins dac-ar fi prins de-o catastrofa, sa zicem un cutremur puternic. O zice el "Oh, my God!"?

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The infinite is in the finite of every instant. (Zen)

Dell:

Mda, clipul e numai un extras. Probabil facut dupa carte.

L-as intreba pe dl. Dawkins si pe toti cei cu aceleasi convingeri ca el de ce nu pot contrazice nimic din ce-a zis Iisus referitor la iubire. Si de ce nu poate nimeni sa adauge ceva nou la ce-a zis Iisus tot la capitolul iubire?

Toti ii dau inainte cu iubirea-legea suprema, cu dragostea, ce sublim, ce alea-alea. Si cand vine timpul sa puna in practica ce sustin prin vorbe sau prin scris, atunci dintr-o data le e greu, atat de greu, ca se eschiveaza de la intrebarea evidenta: DE CE N-O PUI IN PRACTICA?

E usor cu teoriile, mai greu e cu practica.


PS: Oare ce-o zice dl. Dawkins dac-ar fi prins de-o catastrofa, sa zicem un cutremur puternic. O zice el "Oh, my God!"?

...like i said before if there was Jesus he was a good TEACHER and there isnt much to add to "love"..."E usor cu teoriile, mai greu e cu practica".... thats very true but then again depends on people's choise....hard way or easy way

"Oare ce-o zice dl. Dawkins dac-ar fi prins de-o catastrofa, sa zicem un cutremur puternic. O zice el "Oh, my God!"?...i dont believe in god but probably i would say "oh,my god"...but that has a lot to do with how much my parents brain-wash me since i was little...see The Virus Of Faith  to understand how powerfull brain-washing is when you are as big as a spoon...

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

javacool:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=739104736941335888

 

...see also The Virus Of Faith ...

...im not trying to start a fught here just changes of opinions:)

 imi place videoclipul. Din pacate nu am putut sa ii vad sfirsitul.

javacool:

...like i said before if there was Jesus he was a good TEACHER and there isnt much to add to "love"..."E usor cu teoriile, mai greu e cu practica".... thats very true but then again depends on people's choise....hard way or easy way

"Oare ce-o zice dl. Dawkins dac-ar fi prins de-o catastrofa, sa zicem un cutremur puternic. O zice el "Oh, my God!"?...i dont believe in god but probably i would say "oh,my god"...but that has a lot to do with how much my parents brain-wash me since i was little...see The Virus Of Faith  to understand how powerfull brain-washing is when you are as big as a spoon...

Most people usually choose the easy way. That's because it's comfortable (the name says it all) and people are in the pursuit of their desires, they just want comfort above pretty much everything eles, no matter what.
The promotion of mediocrity, the celebration of averageness is the 1st commandement of the "modern" society.

I understand the brainwashing, however I do believe that you take that to extreme. After all your parents did not want to harm you and probably they did not want to enforce their ideas on you at all costs.
To understand the brainwahing I recommendfor study "fenomenul Pitesti" among other practices. It took place beteween 1949-1952 in RPR (Romanian acronym). I'll say no more on this.


PS: Iisus a fost barbatul absolut si total. N-a facut nici un compromis (desi ocaziile n-au lipsit). N-a plans cu audienta. A trait suferinta asa cum trebuie traita. Asta spus asa, pe foarte scurt.

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The infinite is in the finite of every instant. (Zen)

Dell:

I understand the brainwashing, however I do believe that you take that to extreme. After all your parents did not want to harm you and probably they did not want to enforce their ideas on you at all costs.

...i came from a very poor family and i remember my mother giving money and food (we didnt have much even for us) to the church and i hated her for that...i remember when i went hungry to bed because she would give the last piece of bred to the church (we were 7 brothers and sisters)...i hated GOD since i was little....and yes i was beaten because i told them that...i'm not kidding at all...

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

javacool:

...i came from a very poor family and i remember my mother giving money and food (we didnt have much even for us) to the church and i hated her for that...i remember when i went hungry to bed because she would give the last piece of bred to the church (we were 7 brothers and sisters)...i hated GOD since i was little....and yes i was beaten because i told them that...i'm not kidding at all...

In this case I have to ask why did you hate God? Are not your parents who made you suffer?
I'm not saying to hate your parents, I'm asking why did you project your unhapiness against someone that did not cause it.

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The infinite is in the finite of every instant. (Zen)

Dell:

In this case I have to ask why did you hate God? Are not your parents who made you suffer?
I'm not saying to hate your parents, I'm asking why did you project your unhapiness against someone that did not cause it.

....Supposedly according to my mom everything was given in the name of God...now i dont blame my parents at all,they were brainwshed by their parents and so on,i mean they had to be...as a mom you are supposed to feed your kids first not give it to the church...by the way,the priest had no job other than church yet he was the richiest man around...go figure....i remember that every sunday morning there was a fight at my house because they wanted us to go to church ....guess what ?....out of 7 kids,none of us believe in God..just because i dont believe in God doesnt mean im a bad person,i know morals,etics and self-respect...i do believe in myself a lot and i never ever depended on anybody...

...my ex-wife believed in god and i never had a problem with that as long as she didnt push it on me or the kids...one of my kids is so and so when comes to God and the other doesnt believe at all (i never told them in what or what to believe but i taught them to be good people)...

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

Domnisoareleor, Doamnelor, Domnilor,

 Daca imi permitetii ... Un domn specialist in problema sustine ca toata lumea crede in Dumnezeu, ateii fiind de fapt persoane care nu accepta modul cum Deitatea este prezentata de o religie sau alta.

So, deci, carevasazica cred ca problema nu consta atat de mult in continut cat in ambalaj.   

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A point is that which has no part.

Euclid:

Domnisoareleor, Doamnelor, Domnilor,

 Daca imi permitetii ... Un domn specialist in problema sustine ca toata lumea crede in Dumnezeu, ateii fiind de fapt persoane care nu accepta modul cum Deitatea este prezentata de o religie sau alta.

Ateism inseamna negarea existentei lui Dumnezeu si oricarei divinitati. Domnul specialist in problema contrazice cumva chestia asta?

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The infinite is in the finite of every instant. (Zen)

Dell,

Nu este o incercare de a schimba definitia cuvanului/conceptului ateu/ateism, este doar un punct de vedere (cu care sa intampla sa fiu si eu de acord).

Atunci cand vorbiti cu "atei" veti observa ca acestia utilizeaza in argumentatia lor ceea  ce dansii percep ca neconcordante intr-o religie sau alta. In cele mai multe cazuri un "ateu" se declara ateu  in urma unei dezamagiri sau ca spirit de fronda, de asemeni ignoranta este o cauza a "ateismului".

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A point is that which has no part.

Dell:

Euclid:

Domnisoareleor, Doamnelor, Domnilor,

 Daca imi permitetii ... Un domn specialist in problema sustine ca toata lumea crede in Dumnezeu, ateii fiind de fapt persoane care nu accepta modul cum Deitatea este prezentata de o religie sau alta.

Ateism inseamna negarea existentei lui Dumnezeu si oricarei divinitati. Domnul specialist in problema contrazice cumva chestia asta?

Pai, tocmai tu o zisesi ceva mai sus. Cum ca mister D. ar zice el "oh, God..." daca ar fi intr-o situatie extrema. Nici eu nu cred ca exista ateul absolut, pana la capat, neabatut.  Sunt doar rataciri. Plecari din tine insuti...Si cum Dumnezeu este sadit in codul nostru genetic (ce ti-e si cu stiinta asta!) nu vad cum ne-am putea nega la nesfarsit. Cumva, undeva, ne vom reintilni...

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"Driving down an endless road/Taking friends or moving alone/Pleasure at the fairground on the way..."

Euclid:

Dell,

Nu este o incercare de a schimba definitia cuvanului/conceptului ateu/ateism, este doar un punct de vedere (cu care sa intampla sa fiu si eu de acord).

Atunci cand vorbiti cu "atei" veti observa ca acestia utilizeaza in argumentatia lor ceea  ce dansii percep ca neconcordante intr-o religie sau alta. In cele mai multe cazuri un "ateu" se declara ateu  in urma unei dezamagiri sau ca spirit de fronda, de asemeni ignoranta este o cauza a "ateismului".

Well, punct de vedere sau nu (v. si semnatura ta, ca merge in discutia asta), ateul nu crede in suflet, in spirit si in nimic din ce este legat 
de acesta.
Toate religiile se bazeaza si pe existenta sufletului, a spiritului. Nu stiu sa existe vreo exceptie la chestia asta, dar daca exista, eu sunt gata sa iau notite.
Ulianov zis Lenin tot din cauza vreunei dezamagiri sau spirit de fronda era ateu? 
Sau din cauza mandriei generatoare a pretentiei de a fi "unic"?
Sau era manevrat de diavol?
Sau all of the above?

"Everything the same; everything distinct." (Zen) - adica toti avem aceeasi esenta, dar suntem unici in manifestarea noastra ca oameni. 
Esenta fiind spiritul si nu ADN-ul & reactiile chimice aferente.

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The infinite is in the finite of every instant. (Zen)

Euclid:

de asemeni ignoranta este o cauza a "ateismului".

huh?...how can you even put "ignoranta" in the same sentence with "ateismului"....i think that ignorance goes hand in hand with religie

"In cele mai multe cazuri un "ateu" se declara ateu  in urma unei dezamagiri sau ca spirit de fronda"...are you for real?....oh teach me oh great one ...for now im going to go and stick some needles in my eyes so i'll get distracted from this by pain

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

Hey !!! no need to be mean, Java !! Fiecare crede in ce vrea, right?

 Pana una alta...sa crezi in Dumnezeu nu este un lucru rau.

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Life is full of dreams.If you don't dream ...go to sleep.

bonepaula:

Hey !!! no need to be mean, Java !! Fiecare crede in ce vrea, right?

 Pana una alta...sa crezi in Dumnezeu nu este un lucru rau.

...show me where i was mean in what i wrote?...quote it for me ,will ya?

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

javacool:

are you for real?....oh teach me oh great one ...for now im going to go and stick some needles in my eyes so i'll get distracted from this by pain

In opinia mea, asta e "mean". Pt ca daca un om crede in Dumnezeu nu tre sa-l iei la misto. Repet, fiecare crede in ce vrea .

 

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Life is full of dreams.If you don't dream ...go to sleep.

bonepaula:

javacool:

are you for real?....oh teach me oh great one ...for now im going to go and stick some needles in my eyes so i'll get distracted from this by pain

In opinia mea, asta e "mean". Pt ca daca un om crede in Dumnezeu nu tre sa-l iei la misto. Repet, fiecare crede in ce vrea .

 

..my dear...nobodys even talking about "dumnezeu"...WE ARE talking about religion and atheu...and no thats not mean at all...i gave him an answer and if he knows more "apparently" im WILLING to learn...and what "misto" mean?...is that a word?

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

 Does atheu means you don't believe in God, or does it mean you don't believe in religion ? Do you believe in God, or not? I mean do you believe He is for real?

And you can't talk about religion without talking about God, and you can't talk about atheu without talking about God.

Misto?   It means "cool", but "a lua la misto" means you don't take someone seriously and you make jokes about what he/she said. " oh teach me oh great one" this is a good example.

 

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Life is full of dreams.If you don't dream ...go to sleep.

bonepaula:

 Does atheu means you don't believe in God, or does it mean you don't believe in religion ? Do you believe in God, or not? I mean do you believe He is for real?

And you can't talk about religion without talking about God, and you can't talk about atheu without talking about God.

Misto?   It means "cool", but "a lua la misto" means you don't take someone seriously and you make jokes about what he/she said. " oh teach me oh great one" this is a good example.

 

..ok,whatever ...i dont care what people believe in...and this is not the place to debate anything when comes to "sensitive" subject as religion...the worse case, i was sarcastic but not mean...and yes if i see that someone "think" that they got everything figured out..well,i will laugh ...because NOBODY knows whats what and what not for sure...enough with this because i feel like getting my period.(i feel so bloated)

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

Well, Euclid  actually knows A LOT about this subject . If you read  "forumul Religie" de aici, you will understand that he doesn't talk without knowing what he's talking about.

Sorry about your period. I KNOW it's bad

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Life is full of dreams.If you don't dream ...go to sleep.

 " i feel like getting my period."

Java,

Misogin? Sau doar o erore la setarea avarului?

 

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A point is that which has no part.

Euclid:

 " i feel like getting my period."

Java,

Misogin? Sau doar o erore la setarea avarului?

 

...you're NOT even funny

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"there is NO WOMAN out there that is worth the trouble that she brings" by me :)

It was a honest question.

 

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A point is that which has no part.