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Ateismul in america

Last post 09-03-2006, 01:50 AM by fodorf. 7 replies.
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  •  08-17-2006, 01:47 AM 49944

    Ateismul in america

    http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/47898/Atheist.html
    Fiecare om poseda un anumit orizont. Cand se ingusteaza si devine infinit de mic, el se transforma in punct si atunci omul zice: "Acesta este punctul meu de vedere".
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  •  08-17-2006, 11:03 AM 49965 in reply to 49944

    Re: Ateismul in america

    Sa inteleg ca tu consideri ca nu exista "a higher power"?
    The only real security in life is to be very good at what you do.
  •  08-17-2006, 11:22 AM 49972 in reply to 49965

    Re: Ateismul in america

    Cred in a higher power, nu cred in religie. Ca acea higher power este doar o rasa mai evoluata decat noi sau o singura entitate, habar nu am. De asemena nu cred ca acea higher power s-a pus sa ne faca din lut si a suflat viata peste noi :)...s-ar putea sa fi schimbat ea ceva prin mersul normal al naturii ca sa ajungem unde suntem...dar nu ne-a facut de la 0...

    Mi-a placut faza cu nenea Tufis care reneaga pe americanii atei desi majoriatea care au adus faima Americii sunt atei. Si chestia cu cei 75% crestini din inchisorile americane, ceea ce dovedeste ca religia nu inseaman neaparat un lucru bun...


    Fiecare om poseda un anumit orizont. Cand se ingusteaza si devine infinit de mic, el se transforma in punct si atunci omul zice: "Acesta este punctul meu de vedere".
  •  08-17-2006, 11:29 AM 49979 in reply to 49972

    Re: Ateismul in america

    Tu incerci sa schimbi mesajul acelui filmulet.

    A fi ateu inseamna a nu crede in Dumnezeu, intr-o putere superioara. Nu este vorba de religie, este vorba de Dumnezeu.

    Filmuletul respectiv nu promoveaza americani faimosi, ci promoveaza ateismul, cu tot ceea ce implica acest lucru.


    The only real security in life is to be very good at what you do.
  •  08-17-2006, 11:34 AM 49981 in reply to 49979

    Re: Ateismul in america

    Stiu ce inseamna ateu.

    Si da, filmuletul promoveaza ateismul si arata cat de falsi sunt crestinii cu dogmele lor. Si ce e rau in asta?

    Presupun ca orice preot m-ar socoti si pe mine atee, daca m-as duce si le-as spune ca nu cred in ce spun ei, si ca Dumnezeu e probabil doar o rasa mai evoluata si ca si oamenii probabil o sa ajunga ca si el intr-o buna zi...


    Fiecare om poseda un anumit orizont. Cand se ingusteaza si devine infinit de mic, el se transforma in punct si atunci omul zice: "Acesta este punctul meu de vedere".
  •  08-17-2006, 11:55 AM 49985 in reply to 49981

    Re: Ateismul in america

    Eu cred ca nu conteaza cum te considera un preot ci cum te consideri tu. Daca tu crezi intr-o putere superioara atunci nu esti atee.
    The only real security in life is to be very good at what you do.
  •  08-17-2006, 04:28 PM 50011 in reply to 49985

    Re: Ateismul in america

    Imi cer scuze pt. ca am postat in engleza.

    INTERESTING CONVERSATION

    An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his students to stand and.....
     
    Professor: You have a religion don't you, son?
    Student : Yes, sir.
    Prof: So you believe in God?
    Student : Absolutely, sir.
    Prof: Is God good?
    Student : Sure.
    Prof: Is God all-powerful?
    Student : Yes.
    Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayedto God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.)
    Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again,young fella. Is God good?
    Student :Yes.
    Prof: Is Satan good?
    Student : No.
    Prof: Where does Satan come from?
    Student : From...God...
    Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
    Student : Yes.
    Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
    Student : Yes.
    Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
    Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
    Student: Yes, sir.
    Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.)
    Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
    Student: No, sir.
    Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
    Student : No, sir.
    Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
    Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
    Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
    Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
    Student : Yes.
    Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
    Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
    Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
    Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
    Prof: Yes.
    Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
    Prof: Yes.
    Student : No sir. There isn't. (The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
    Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, super heat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we
    don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
    Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
    Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
    Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
    flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
    Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
    Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
    Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
    Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
    Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
    Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to
    realize where the argument is going.)
    Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
    Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)
    Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir? (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)
    Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
    Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.


    The infinite is in the finite of every instant. (Zen)
  •  09-03-2006, 01:50 AM 50485 in reply to 49972

    Re: Ateismul in america

    Filmuletul respectiv este realizat in mod tendentios pentru a denigra crestinismul si a nega existenta lui Dumnezeu. Faptul ca asa de multi din cei ce se declara crestini nu traiesc o viata demna de caracterul lui Dumnezeu nu inseamna ca Dumnezeu nu exista sau ca crestinismul nu are dreptate. America este una din cele mai professedly Christian countries, dar in practica ocupa unul din ultimile locuri. Pe de alta parte, cati dintre cei 98% dintre romanii care se declara crestini sunt cu adevarat reprezentativi pentru crestinismul adevarat?

    Nu este adevarat ca "majoritatea care au adus faima Americii sunt atei". Pentru fiecare nume de ateu "faimos" se pot aduce cate trei nume de credinciosi faimosi. Pornind inca de la intemeietorii tarii. Nu stiu cat de mult bine a adus Americii unul ca Isaac Asimov, in comparatie, de ex, cu Abraham Lincoln.

     

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