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Last post 07-01-2007, 01:33 PM by OanaC. 9 replies.
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  •  06-28-2007, 01:06 PM 62176

    Big defeat for immigration bill

    Immigration bill suffers major defeat in Senate

    Legislation falls 14 votes short, despite Bush's big push to rally support

    WASHINGTON - The Senate drove a stake Thursday through President Bush's plan to legalize millions of unlawful immigrants, likely postponing major action on immigration until after the 2008 elections.

    The bill's supporters fell 14 votes short of the 60 needed to limit debate and clear the way for final passage of the legislation, which critics assailed as offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. The vote was 46 to 53 in favor of limiting the debate.

    Senators in both parties said the issue is so volatile that Congress is highly unlikely to revisit it this fall or next year, when the presidential election will increasingly dominate American politics.

    A similar effort collapsed in the Congress last year, and the House has not bothered with an immigration bill this year, awaiting Senate action.

    The vote was a stinging setback for Bush, who advocated the bill as an imperfect but necessary fix of current immigration practices in which many illegal immigrants use forged documents or lapsed visas to live and work in the United States.

    Victory for GOP conservatives
    It was a victory for Republican conservatives who strongly criticized the bill's provisions that would have established pathways to lawful status for many of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants. They were aided by talk radio and TV hosts who repeatedly attacked the bill and urged listeners to flood Congress with calls, faxes and e-mails.

    The bill would have toughened border security and instituted a new system for weeding out illegal immigrants from workplaces. It would have created a new guest-worker program and allowed millions of illegal immigrants to obtain legal status if they briefly returned home.

    Bush, who has made an unusual personal push to persuade key waverers to back the bill — one of his top domestic priorities — was on the phone with senators on Thursday morning after making calls Wednesday night to argue his case, said Scott Stanzel, a White House spokesman.

    Bush's allies passed a similar test Tuesday, but several senators said they simply were agreeing to let debate continue for a couple of days, and they made no promises to support the legislation on Thursday or beyond.

    Unfriendly amendments
    The immigration measure would grant legalization to the estimated 12 million unlawful immigrants if they pass background checks and pay fines and fees.

    The measure survived a series of unfriendly amendments Wednesday.

    Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., was among those disappointed Wednesday. The Senate voted 55-40 to reject his amendment that would have made it easier for some immigrants to obtain visas for family members left behind in their home countries.

    "This action does nothing to allay my concerns about the increasingly right-wing tilt to these proceedings, and it makes it more difficult to vote in favor of invoking cloture on the bill," Menendez said, referring to Thursday's crucial vote to limit debate.

    While Menendez and a few other Democrats oppose the bill, the main opponents have been Bush's fellow sunbelt Republicans. GOP Sens. David Vitter of Louisiana, Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Jeff Sessions of Alabama led the charge, often backed by Texan John Cornyn.

    Late Wednesday, they applauded the Senate's refusal to reject a fairly low-key amendment that, because of parliamentary rules, left leaders no choice but to halt action until Thursday's showdown vote.

    "They tried to railroad this through today, but we derailed the train," DeMint said. Asked if he was poised to kill the bill Thursday, DeMint replied, "we hope to."

    The bill's bipartisan supporters, including liberals such as Kennedy and conservatives such as Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., pushed hard to survive Thursday's vote. But they were frustrated by the lack of enthusiasm shown by many in the president's party.

    Some noted the virtual absence throughout Wednesday's floor debate of Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who has declined to say how he would vote on the measure.

    McConnell left GOP colleagues including Arlen Specter, R-Pa., to contend with the Vitter-DeMint-Sessions group, while Democrats were represented in the chamber most of the day by Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19475868/


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  •  06-28-2007, 01:11 PM 62178 in reply to 62176

    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    In acelasi timp incercam si eu sa postez Wink

    Vesti proaste pentru noi dar "life goes on". 


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  •  06-28-2007, 01:18 PM 62180 in reply to 62178

    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    Orice comentariu este de prisos.

    Eu unul nu voi putea intelege vreodata cum poti sa bagi capul in nisip si sa te gandesti ca se va rezolva problema de la sine.


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  •  06-28-2007, 03:03 PM 62195 in reply to 62180

    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    Alien in momentul in care nu am alte sanse decat aceasta lege nu inteleg eu de ce spui ca am bagat capul in pamant...

    Soarta mea a fost in mainile unora care si-au cam batut joc.

    Prin prisma acestor lucruri pot afirma ca ai avut un comentariu putin rautacios. 

    Nu am bagat capul in pamant insa e usor sa vorbesti despre problema aceasta de pe alte pozitie decat cea in care sunt eu acum.

    Iti respect parerea dar nu sunt de acord cu ea.

    E o diferenta intre cei care incearca sa isi castige un statut legal in tara asta, urmand proceduri legale si cei pe care nu ii intereseaza deloc acest aspect si cum spui tu, doar astepta legea.  

    Totusi ,sper ca te-ai referit doar la modul general.

    Pe curand. 


    There are really two parts of me: if what i say is stupid, it surely came from the other guy.
  •  06-28-2007, 03:53 PM 62199 in reply to 62195

    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    Ortiz:

    Alien in momentul in care nu am alte sanse decat aceasta lege nu inteleg eu de ce spui ca am bagat capul in pamant...

    Soarta mea a fost in mainile unora care si-au cam batut joc.

    Prin prisma acestor lucruri pot afirma ca ai avut un comentariu putin rautacios. 

    Nu am bagat capul in pamant insa e usor sa vorbesti despre problema aceasta de pe alte pozitie decat cea in care sunt eu acum.

    Iti respect parerea dar nu sunt de acord cu ea.

    E o diferenta intre cei care incearca sa isi castige un statut legal in tara asta, urmand proceduri legale si cei pe care nu ii intereseaza deloc acest aspect si cum spui tu, doar astepta legea.  

    Totusi ,sper ca te-ai referit doar la modul general.

    Pe curand. 

    Smile Exemplu clasic de cum poate apare o neintelegere pe un forum.

    Eu nu faceam referire la tine, ci la senatorii care au votat impotriva legii. Nu prea vad cum ai putut intelege ca era vorba de tine.

    Cand am spus sa se rezolve problema de la sine, m-am referit la milioanele de emigranti ilegali care nu vor dispare doar pt ca nu vor ei sa rezolve problema.


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  •  06-28-2007, 11:43 PM 62218 in reply to 62199

    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    TheAlien:

    Smile Exemplu clasic de cum poate apare o neintelegere pe un forum.

    Eu nu faceam referire la tine

     

    Am sperat sa spui asta. Totusi exprimarea ta initiala lasase loc de interpretari si  m-am gandit la ce e mai rau. Ne-am referit la lucruri diferite si ma bucur ca altul a fost substratul comentariului tau.

    Multumesc pentru explicatii. 

    Te rog sa imi accepti scuzele.

     


    There are really two parts of me: if what i say is stupid, it surely came from the other guy.
  •  06-29-2007, 06:33 PM 62276 in reply to 62218

    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    Imi pare tare rau la auzirea acestei vesti, am o prietena buna care a asteptat cu sufletul la gura o schimbare in bine. Sad Sunt multi imigranti care muncesc cinstit dar fara acte, pe cand unii nascuti aici, freaca menta si banii curg.
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  •  06-29-2007, 07:02 PM 62278 in reply to 62276

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    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    Si eu am o gramada de prieteni care asteptau legea asta cu sufletul la gura, da n-a fost sa fie . Sad
  •  06-30-2007, 08:59 AM 62291 in reply to 62176

    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    Mind your language at Geno's
    By James Coomarasamy
    BBC News, Philadelphia

    The collapse of President Bush's recent immigration reform was partly fuelled by fears that the English language was under threat from Spanish. But as one food stall owner in Philadelphia illustrates, English has some unlikely champions.

    Joey Vento sounded pleased to hear from me. Well, fairly pleased.

    Joey Vento (Photo courtesy of Geno's Steaks)
    Facing threat of legal action, Joey Vento says: "Bring it on!"
    "Sure I remember you," his voice came down the phone. "You're the guy who put me through the wringer last year."

    That is not quite how I remembered our previous encounter. I had certainly quizzed him about his views on immigration, but he had given as good as he had got and been more than happy to talk about the need to defend the English language in today's America. With immigration back in the news, I asked him, could we have another chat?

    "Sure," he said. And with that I was on my way to Geno's - the Philadelphia cheese steak stall he founded 41 years ago.

    It is hard to miss, on the apex of Ninth and Passyunk, in the heart of Little Italy.

    It is just a takeaway stall really, but there is so much neon on the inside and outside that Joey affectionately calls it "the Las Vegas of Philadelphia".

    Defender of English

    Which is appropriate, for a man who had just hit the publicity jackpot when I last met him.

    Map showing Philadelphia
    Then, as now, immigration was the hot political topic of the day, and Joey had turned up the heat. He had been reported to the authorities for having a sticker on the sliding door of his stall, which featured a picture of an eagle and the phrase: "This is America. Please speak English when ordering."

    For some, he had struck a chord, struck a blow for ordinary Americans. For others, this was brazen discrimination.

    English is a language that Joey's Sicilian grandfather never mastered when he came to the United States in the 1920s. "But he tried," Joey told me, "and he knew that was what it meant to come here."

    Joey's not exactly proud of his family. He freely admits that his brother and father were gangsters. But he is proud of the notoriety he has achieved as a defender of the English language.

    Somewhat disconcertingly he was brandishing a knife when I arrived, but it turned out he was in the middle of slicing the rolls for the day's food.

    "I'm 68," he reminded me, looking fighting fit in a black T-shirt, with a silver chain around his neck, "and I've been up since three in the morning. Don't tell me Americans won't do the tough jobs."

    Something of a shrine

    Geno's Steaks (Photo courtesy of Geno's Steaks)
    Joey Vento's restaurant is a Philadelphia landmark
    Geno's is one of Philadelphia's most famous landmarks.

    "People visit us, then they see the Liberty Bell," Joey jokes, placing his stall just above one of the symbols of American independence.

    Its signature - in fact its only dish - is a bun filled with thinly sliced rib-eyed steaks, topped with chopped, fried onion and a choice of three cheeses: American, provolone and an amorphous, glutinous yellow substance called cheese whiz.

    I would not recommend the latter. As we were chatting, one of Joey's well-fed regulars popped in and asked for a double helping of whiz. For breakfast.

    When he left, Joey confided that the whiz could be speeding him to a heart attack. "But in moderation there's no better stuff," he added quickly, "although I'd recommend the provolone."

    Twelve months on, the cheese choice remains the same and the controversial sticker is still there. Joey maintains that his stall has become something of a shrine, not just for cheese steak connoisseurs, but for English-first pilgrims, who get a free pen and sticker when they order.

    Messages of support

    He seems unconcerned that the local authorities are taking him to court for placing what they argue is an offensive sign in his window.

    "Bring it on," he says, his eyes glistening almost as brightly as his diamond ear stud. "What have I got to fear?" And with that, he glances up at the walls for reassurance.

    Staring back at him is a host of famous faces, from Bill Clinton to Justin Timberlake to Rudy Giuliani - some snapped in the act of rustling up cheese steaks at the stall themselves - all wearing huge, cheese whiz-eating grins on their faces. But none of those grins is as wide as Joey's, a self-made man who clearly loves the limelight.

    Leaving a batch of rolls to languish unsliced, he scuttles away to a back room, looking for proof of the righteousness of his cause. He returns with a pile of folders, overflowing with letters and messages of support from all over the country.

    "We're with you, Joey."

    "What you're doing is great, Joey."

    Even: "We'll vote for you Joey."

    To these writers, he is a true patriot, defending his countrymen from the threat to their identity posed by the growing influence of Spanish.

    And while that is not the only reason why the immigration bill failed, the letters to Joey give a sense of the grassroots anger that senators from both parties have been hearing.

    Unlike Joey, the immigration bill really has been through the wringer, and failed to come out the other side.

    When I phoned him, just after the senate vote, Joey was triumphant. "Looks like those politicians listened to Joey," he said. Looks like they did.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6254560.stm

     


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  •  07-01-2007, 01:33 PM 62329 in reply to 62291

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    Re: Big defeat for immigration bill

    Geno's .... No Numai numele de el. Si pizza place  de la coltul strazii face cheese-steak mai bun ca al lui. Un cacanar care isi trateaza clinetii ca Soup Nazist din Seinfeled. Daca te mosmondesti cand comanzi, si nu stii daca vrei ceapa sau ardei, s-ar putea sa te sara si sa treaca la urmatorul client. Cica pierde business asteptand pe astia care nu vb engleza bine sa comande ?!

    Parerea mea? E totul un "publicity stunt". Toata faza asta cu "you are in US, speak English". Americanii au facut pipi pe ei de placere cand au auzit ca..deh un alt emigrant e de aceeasi parte a baricadei cu ei, si normal ca se duc sa manance la el. Foarte usor de manipulat masele pe aici, mai ales cand ii iei cu patriotisme din-astea ieftine. Ick!

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